Metal bands to love to hate
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[Feb 2,2010 8:55am - Conservationist ""]
ouchdrummer said:yes i did, reread what i said.
Sure. Explain this:
It's great music, really relaxing, catchy, and melancholy. It's perfect rainy day music.
This guy seriously just thinks his opinion is the word of god.
[Feb 2,2010 8:57am - arktouros ""]
BSV said:FUCK YOU ALL, LISTENING TO SUMMONING WILL FOREVER BE BETTER THAN WATCHING PEOPLE DEFEND MESHUGGAH FOR BEING AN INTERESTING BAND.
by using the logic in this article he could have put Summoning on that list the same way.
[Feb 2,2010 9:21am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
Funny, I like both Summoning and Meshuggah.
..It must be that time again!
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[Feb 2,2010 10:34am - goatcatalyst ""]
Kinda surprised none of the retro TMNT pizza party thrash made it to the list.
[Feb 2,2010 11:13am - ouchdrummer ""]
Conservationist said:
ouchdrummer said:yes i did, reread what i said.
Sure. Explain this:
It's great music, really relaxing, catchy, and melancholy. It's perfect rainy day music.
This guy seriously just thinks his opinion is the word of god.
well ok buddy!
If you had read this:
"I love how this asshole assumes because he doesn't get a band that their is nothing to get, and that anyone that's into them obviously is trying too hard. "
..BEFORE the other comments, you would know that my frustration was with his not saying why he didn't like the music, but why people were wrong for liking it. I was merely pointing out that there was something to get. Not that he was wrong for not getting it. HE was pointing out that i was trying too hard by liking bands.
[Feb 2,2010 11:15am - ouchdrummer ""]
what you maybe don't get, is that NO ONE has the right to say that other people shouldn't like certain music. Or to judge them for doing so. For you to look past that is silly, and you're just typing for the sake of seeing your fingers move.
[Feb 2,2010 11:40am - Conservationist ""]
ouchdrummer said:NO ONE has the right to say that other people shouldn't like certain music.
NO ONE has the right to say that other people cannot criticize certain music and point out that it's shit.
[Feb 2,2010 11:50am - goatcatalyst ""]
ouchdrummer said:what you maybe don't get, is that NO ONE has the right to say that other people shouldn't like certain music. Or to judge them for doing so.
I'm fairly certain that all fans of Forever The Sickest Kids and Attack Attack should star in my re-enactment of the Bataan Death March, straight into the fiery maw of my omnivorous oven, Jim.
[Feb 2,2010 12:08pm - ouchdrummer ""]
Conservationist said:
ouchdrummer said:NO ONE has the right to say that other people shouldn't like certain music.
NO ONE has the right to say that other people cannot criticize certain music and point out that it's shit.
you're hilarious.
[Feb 2,2010 12:15pm - Conservationist ""]
ouchdrummer said:
Conservationist said:
ouchdrummer said:NO ONE has the right to say that other people shouldn't like certain music.
NO ONE has the right to say that other people cannot criticize certain music and point out that it's shit.
you're hilarious.
It's a legitimate response. You'll find that making the distinction between negative and positive ways of telling others what to do is inconsequential.
The really interesting question is where to go from there.
[Feb 2,2010 12:42pm - Yeti ""]
i think you both need to do many, many barrel rolls.
[Feb 2,2010 1:27pm - rhinoplasty ""]
yeah i is be thinkin' dat Gravesideservice should most definatly beef on dis list . Remember i bees better than them , i make more money than them , i'm better looking , i'm more sopiritual , and i'm just better .
[Feb 2,2010 2:30pm - Lamp ""]
Yeti said:i think you both need to do many, many barrel rolls.
Whatever happened to trying a somersault?
[Feb 2,2010 2:39pm - C.dEad ""]
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[Feb 2,2010 2:43pm - Lamp ""]
You know, while we're derailing threads here, can someone explain to me exactly how this meme got started and why it's supposed to be funny? I've never understood any of these.
[Feb 2,2010 2:45pm - Slag Studios ""]
Slag said:I like music?
After reading this thread, I stand by my previous argument.
Likes and dislikes are relative the person making the judgement on what he or she likes.
No single one person or review can tell me what is good or bad.
I think I will make that determination, thanks.
[Feb 2,2010 2:45pm - RichHorror ""]
I'm glad I know what to think now.
[Feb 2,2010 2:49pm - arktouros ""]
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/advice-dog
this thread needs a good derailing.
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[Feb 2,2010 2:51pm - C.dEad ""]
Lamp said:You know, while we're derailing threads here, can someone explain to me exactly how this meme got started and why it's supposed to be funny? I've never understood any of these.
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[Feb 2,2010 3:17pm - Conservationist ""]
Slag%20Studios said:Likes and dislikes are relative the person making the judgement on what he or she likes.
And the person's degree of accuracy regarding reality is also relative.
[Feb 2,2010 3:18pm - Yeti ""]
Lamp said:You know, while we're derailing threads here, can someone explain to me exactly how this meme got started and why it's supposed to be funny? I've never understood any of these.
i have absolutely no clue, but derailing threads brings such light to my life.
[Feb 2,2010 3:21pm - arilliusbm ""]
fuck threads. I try to go for the whole thing: derailing messageboards
[Feb 2,2010 3:26pm - Lamp ""]
I've been thinking lately I don't just want to be an architect... I want to be a city planner. Why design just one building when you can design an entire city?
[Feb 2,2010 3:26pm - arktouros ""]
Conservationist said:
Slag%20Studios said:Likes and dislikes are relative the person making the judgement on what he or she likes.
And the person's degree of accuracy regarding reality is also relative.
don't try to argue with him man, he's a realist.
[Feb 2,2010 3:30pm - arilliusbm ""]
He's honest. What more could one ask for?
Honest opinions are better than indifference. It's my honest opinion that old In Flames is classic. I could care less if someone disagrees, but it's nice to see the other side of the argument.
[Feb 2,2010 3:38pm - RTTP POSTER ""]
arilliusbm said:He's honest. What more could one ask for?
Honest opinions are better than indifference. It's my honest opinion that old In Flames is classic. I could care less if someone disagrees, but it's nice to see the other side of the argument.
I wouldn't say my stance is one of .... indifference.
I like knowing what other people like. It just has zero bearing on if I like something or not.
Conservationist can say all he wants about what albums or artists or whatever are good or bad. It has no weight on the the subject being judged. Everyone has a different point of view.
There really is no best or good or bad when it comes to something that cannot be quantified. If someone said "michael jordan was the best basketball player ever because he (insert sports fact here)", it is a quantifiable conclusion due to data and research.
Art cannot (in my opinion) be quantified as good or bad.
It is what the end user perceives it as.
[Feb 2,2010 3:39pm - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
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[Feb 2,2010 3:41pm - arilliusbm ""]
Yep.
[Feb 2,2010 3:51pm - arktouros ""]
well, calling jazz "degraded classical music for people who need ideas pre-chewed" devalues someone's opinion, doesn't it. i thought that's how classical music snobs perceive metal?
we might call all impressionist paintings a degraded art style for people who can't paint in the realist style then.
oh fuck, why am i still posting in this thread. i've been trolled for 2 days straight.
[Feb 2,2010 5:09pm - ouchdrummer ""]
right.. everyone is reiterating my point that you can't tell them they are wrong/stupid/ or a poser for liking music. You can say the music is bad/good/whatever you want till the cows come home. But that's not what happened i quit this thread, i think the only reason i responded was because it's been too long since i had an online conversation with conservationist. Now i remember that he just twists words to try and make himself sound smart. And that is not my opinion, but a fact bomb.
FACTBOMB!
[Feb 2,2010 5:29pm - arilliusbm ""]
SOY BOMB!!
[Feb 2,2010 6:17pm - Conservationist ""]
ouchdrummer said:You can say the music is bad/good/whatever you want till the cows come home.
What if the music is crap, but has a flashy surface that appeals to people for certain reasons? Can we then say "they like it because of x"?
Kind of like how some people buy BMWs to show off to chicks. What if BMWs sucked for everything but showing off?
That's how Opeth and Meshuggah are.
[Feb 2,2010 8:05pm - arilliusbm ""]
Would you argue Opeth's Orchid is similar to that comparison?
[Feb 2,2010 8:46pm - BlackoutRick ""]
I cannot agree with the Meshuggah shit talk. I like them and always have. I also hold high regard for them or any other band that influences many bands. There's a shit load of bands that sound or try to sound like them. To me that makes a good band. Don't forget- my opinion.
I can't believe some people think they're being cool for hating a band cuz they're successful. Like Pantera. Even the haters secretly like a few tunes.
[Feb 2,2010 9:09pm - g2g ""]
conservationist is david wilcock?
[Feb 2,2010 9:14pm - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
If you think Meshuggah sucks, you're a total faggot. Chaosphere is violent as fuck.
[Feb 3,2010 12:27am - Conservationist ""]
arilliusbm said:Would you argue Opeth's Orchid is similar to that comparison?
Yes, it's faux prog. Since people could just go listen to Yes or King Crimson, but pick Opeth, they are most likely preferring a digestible product that APPEARS to be a heady product, as that way they get both digestible music and an identity as the kind of deep person who likes prog.
[Feb 3,2010 12:39am - MikeofdecrepitudE ""]
For all the years I've listened to Opeth, I've never considered them prog.
[Feb 3,2010 2:52am - BSV ""]
all i know is i printed this list out at work and totally read it aloud to my employees and customers tonight. i tacked it up on the bulletin board in the break room as well.
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!
[Feb 3,2010 8:07am - ouchdrummer ""]
Conservationist said:
ouchdrummer said:You can say the music is bad/good/whatever you want till the cows come home.
What if the music is crap, but has a flashy surface that appeals to people for certain reasons?
Nope. For the same exact reasons you stated to me earlier. Anyone can like any band for whatever reason they want. The fact that you think someone could define why other people like a band is silly... and goes against your previous strong opinion argument.
[Feb 3,2010 10:08am - Conservationist ""]
ouchdrummer said: Anyone can like any band for whatever reason they want. The fact that you think someone could define why other people like a band is silly... and goes against your previous strong opinion argument.
No, it doesn't -- my argument includes the possibility of hypothetical motivations.
I think you're confusing two things: morality and reality.
(a) Morality: "Billy should be free to like whatever band he likes"
(b) Reality: "Billy's listening to Marilyn Manson to piss off his parents"
People listen to bands for a number of reasons. If the band is faking some vital aspect of its presentation, they're pandering to fakers.
Unless you think all the people listening to Christina Aguilera did it because she was a fucken supar-geniuz?
[Feb 3,2010 10:11am - ouchdrummer ""]
right, cause you can tell why other people do things. Your argument is getting sillier by the post.
[Feb 3,2010 10:34am - arilliusbm ""]
I would pay to watch this argument in a secluded room with you two, a giant bong, and 3 CDs of your choice, each expressing your point of view. Throw in the goatse man in the mix and it's the best thing to happen in this history of things happening.
[Feb 3,2010 10:39am - arktouros ""]
fuck this thread. take drugs and listen to evil music. repeat.
[Feb 3,2010 10:39am - arktouros ""]
arilliusbm said:I would pay to watch this argument in a secluded room with you two, a giant bong, and 3 CDs of your choice, each expressing your point of view. Throw in the goatse man in the mix and it's the best thing to happen in this history of things happening.
i'd watch that, you could be a good moderator.
[Feb 3,2010 10:46am - arilliusbm ""]
I am goatse.
[Feb 3,2010 12:04pm - Lamp ""]
I gotta say I agree with Conservationist here, people do listen to music for different reasons, but some reasons will cause people to grow out of it. You can listen to anything and be a poser, but the ones who aren't can tell the difference every time.
[Feb 3,2010 12:27pm - ouchdrummer ""]
well i'm jealous. I wish i could read peoples minds.
[Feb 3,2010 1:13pm - Buzz Killington ""]
ulver is fucking awesome regardless of what this ass writes.
[Feb 3,2010 1:13pm - DestroyYouAlot ""]
Lamp said:I gotta say I agree with Conservationist here, people do listen to music for different reasons, but some reasons will cause people to grow out of it. You can listen to anything and be a poser, but the ones who aren't can tell the difference every time.
+1
Also, homofags.