2011 NFL Draft thread (Hi Rusty and XMikeX)[views:40538][posts:252]___________________________________ [Mar 22,2011 10:15pm - Dankill ""] xmikex said: 2. If I'm Belichick and San Diego wants 28 from me for a 2nd and a 4th, I'd tell them I want next year's first. As it stands I want Pouncey, Brooks Reed, or Stephen Paea at 28 unless it's a deal too good to pass up.I would agree with that, partly because San Diego doesn't even have a 4th to give. According to Walter Football (and I could have read it wrong) but it looks like the Chargers have no picks in both the 4th and 5th rounds and one pick towards the middle of the 6th round. Soooooo, they're a bit limited for this year unless they went nuts and traded both second rounders. Otherwise, Pouncey, Reed or Paea would be awesome catches, moreso when you think about that #33 just waiting behind. You could have two of those three by the start of the 2nd round. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 23,2011 8:34am - xmikex ""] Dankill said:I would agree with that, partly because San Diego doesn't even have a 4th to give. Well that would clinch it then.... b'oh! |
| ________________________________ [Mar 28,2011 3:07pm - xmikex ""] www.PATSKRIEG.com up and running. enjoy. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Mar 29,2011 1:30pm - RustyPS should be working ""] WF mock update: 17. Jordan 28. Pouncey 33. Mikel Leshore 60. Chris Carter, DE/OLB, Fresno State 74. Titus Young (!!!, I know Mike doesn't like him, but that's highway robbery at that spot) 92. James Brewer, OT, Indiana 125. Marecic 159. Beal 193. Justin Rogers, CB/KR, Richmond |
| ________________________________ [Mar 29,2011 6:36pm - xmikex ""] I like Chris Carter a lot. He can stop on a dime and plays like a maniac. But all the teams that have worked him out thus far have been 4-3 defenses. Titus Young at 74 would be a classic value pick, but WF also leaves Ras I Dowling and Edmund Gates on the board at that time. I'm very high on Dowling who could have been a first round pick if he had played last year. As much as we're all routing for Marecic, this mock gives us a Fullback at 125 and the Jets Kenrick Ellis at 126. The Pats haven't had a real fullback in years and their offense has carried on fine. That sequence of picks would come back to haunt us huge. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 29,2011 6:43pm - xmikex ""] Putting up a post on Muhammad Wilkerson tonight. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Mar 29,2011 7:00pm - RustyPS should be working ""] I like how this thread has "devolved" to Mike, Dan, and I...I post the WF updates, Mike provides analysis, and Dan agrees lol |
| __________________________________ [Mar 29,2011 8:01pm - Dankill ""] LOL we are a bunch of asses, aren't we? I have to say, the more I think about it, If Brooks Reed is available at #33, the Pats should jump on that. Sure, people wanna sweat Houston and Ayers more, but I think a tandem of Jordan, Pouncey and Reed with the first three picks would be damn good for their needs. Mike, if the Pats didn't land Jordan and they have to pick between J.J. Watts and Ryan Kerrigan, who would you go for? Both are guys who's names have been thrown around a lot involving the Pats. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 29,2011 8:22pm - RustyPS ""] if the Pats made out with Jordan, Pouncey, and Reed, I might skeet all over the place I personally like Houston more than Reed (I do like Reed a lot), but Jordan at 17 and Reed at 33 would be steals |
| ________________________________ [Mar 29,2011 8:54pm - xmikex ""] Dankill said:Mike, if the Pats didn't land Jordan and they have to pick between J.J. Watts and Ryan Kerrigan, who would you go for? Wilkerson |
| __________________________________ [Mar 29,2011 9:10pm - Dankill ""] xmikex said: Dankill said:Mike, if the Pats didn't land Jordan and they have to pick between J.J. Watts and Ryan Kerrigan, who would you go for? WilkersonWell played, Mr. Shea............well played. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 29,2011 9:24pm - xmikex ""] Kerrigan gained 7 lbs between the combine at his pro day, putting him at 274. He seems pretty committed to playing heavy and we already know that he's too stiff and un-athletic to play in space. I think the hopes of him being a 3-4 OLB are slim at this point. Watt... I dunno, I've got to do more research. The legend of JJ Watt has already far exceeded the player. Mike Mayock called him the best 5 technique DE he's ever seen which just seems really premature and ridiculous to me. Russ Lande didn't even have him in his 1st round draft (as I mentioned in the blog: http://draculamountain.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/mock-draft-critique-russ-lande-sporting-news/). He did the same thing with Vernon Gholston who was a similar style player. Gholston had a lot more red flags, but was still considered a lock to be at least a successful player. For the time being, something about Watt just doesn't add up for me. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 30,2011 6:18am - RustyPS ""] the differences between Gholston and Watt from what I saw in each pre-draft are 1) Gholston was projected to be a 3-4 OLB, and Watt won't play that position except for MAYBE on a situational basis, and 2) Gholston had questions about his desire and drive, and by all accounts, Watt doesn't have those problems...Michael Holley is an Ohio State mark, and HE said multiple times before the Gholston draft that Gholston regularly would take plays off, or even whole games I think a Gholston/Watt comparison is completely unfair, these two players couldn't be more different in my eyes |
| _________________________________ [Mar 30,2011 10:38am - xmikex ""] Wilkerson profile is up on Patskrieg. Who are more players you guys want to see on there? I have a pretty lengthy list. So far I've been trying to work with just guys I know the Pats have worked out or talked to. But I'm flexible. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 30,2011 10:46am - xmikex ""] fascinating development: Patriots have a workout scheduled this week with Prince Amukamara. |
| _____________________________________________________ [Mar 30,2011 10:50am - RustyPS should be working ""] xmikex said:fascinating development: Patriots have a workout scheduled this week with Prince Amukamara. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ____________________________________________________ [Mar 30,2011 5:29pm - RustyPS should be working ""] xmikex said:Wilkerson profile is up on Patskrieg. Who are more players you guys want to see on there? I have a pretty lengthy list. So far I've been trying to work with just guys I know the Pats have worked out or talked to. But I'm flexible. you don't like Watt, so post a Watt profile |
| __________________________________ [Mar 30,2011 8:49pm - Dankill ""] RustyPS%20should%20be%20working said: xmikex said:Wilkerson profile is up on Patskrieg. Who are more players you guys want to see on there? I have a pretty lengthy list. So far I've been trying to work with just guys I know the Pats have worked out or talked to. But I'm flexible. you don't like Watt, so post a Watt profileIndeed! How about guys that we've mentioned a lot, like in those mock drafts we did a lil while ago. |
| _________________________________ [Mar 31,2011 12:14am - xmikex ""] I've got an Amukamara profile going up tomorrow morning that I couldn't resist. I think I've got to bite the bullet and take my stance on Watt. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 31,2011 8:00pm - Dankill ""] Good profile. I liked a few of those faults you saw in his play. I honestly haven't heard much criticism directed towards Amukamara, so that was refreshing. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 31,2011 8:19pm - Dankill ""] Also, there will be plenty to chew on as these pro days wrap up. I was just reading about the Hawaii pro day that finished today. Paea solidified himself as a low 1st/high 2nd pick and Hawaii's WR Greg Salas apparently snuck up on a lot of people and is looking like a solid 2nd rounder. Good speed, hands and ran very tight routes. |
| ________________________________ [Mar 31,2011 9:12pm - xmikex ""] Paea had 25 - 35 locked up when he broke the bench press record. I was waiting for his Pro Day to get done so I could write his profile. He's a guy I'm really excited about, and a solid option at 33 if they don't want to go D-line before then. My only initial flag about him was that he talks like an absolute moron in his interviews. He's like a Hawaiian Johnny Damon with a microphone in front of him. Now if anybody would read this stupid blog it'd be a lot more rewarding. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 1,2011 8:47am - xmikex ""] WF April Fools Mock has the Pats taking Dareus, and Blaine Gabbert. And the Jets vowing to win a Super Bowl without drafting anyone. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 1,2011 7:26pm - xmikex ""] Cameron Jordan profile up http://draculamountain.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/profile-cameron-jordan/ |
| ____________________________________________________ [Apr 5,2011 10:15am - RustyPS should be working ""] WF UPDATE (THIS ONE'S A DOOZY): 17. Jordan 28. MARK FUCKING INGRAM 33. Randall Cobb (WR, Kentucky) 60. Jabaal Sheard (DE/OLB, Pitt) 74. Clint Boling (G, Georgia) 92. Johnny Patrick (CB, Louisville) 125. Demarcus Love (OL, Arkansas) 159. Beal 193. Cedric Thornton (DL, Southern Arkansas) I think Mike just fainted |
| ________________________________ [Apr 5,2011 10:44am - xmikex ""] I would do backflips if the Pats landed Ingram. The thing is, if he's available at 28 there's a 60/40 chance he'd be available at 33. Green Bay is the only team from 29-32 that's a threat to grab him. If that's the case I'd rather take Brooks Reed, Derrick Sherrod, or Stephen Paea at 28. Ingram at 33. Randall Cobb, like I mentioned in the blog: http://draculamountain.wordpress.com/2011/04/03/305/ , is maybe one of the best receivers in the draft, but he's a slot guy mainly. He's not a big overpowering wideout who can threaten with the deep ball. And then if you take Reed at 28 you don't need to take Sheard at 60. I think Sheard will be a great NFL player, and he's very similar to Reed. But that would give the Pats their choice of Marcus Cannon and Danny Watkins at Guard which would be 2 solid value picks for 60. So that of course negates the need to go Guard again in the 3rd and gives the Pats their choice of deep threats Edmund Gates, or Greg Little both of which are natural wideouts. Little isn't the most agile dude, and he's kind of a moron but he's a 230 lb wideout who runs a 4.4 and has brilliant hands. Johnny Patrick is a solid pick for 92... although I might want Jaiquawn Jarrett instead, but corner is of course a bigger need than safety. Love is a solid depth move, and an interesting sleeper pick. Chris Hairston might be a better move if you're looking for a tackle. Beal, tough to argue with a big name that deep. But I'd also consider Denuta Williams. So yeah, close... but not perfect. |
| ________________________________ [Apr 5,2011 10:51am - xmikex ""] Question: If the Pats take a quarterback anywhere in this draft, who do you want? |
| ____________________________________________________ [Apr 5,2011 10:56am - RustyPS should be working ""] I don't like this QB class at all...wait one more year to groom a Brady replacement |
| ________________________________ [Apr 6,2011 12:11pm - xmikex ""] I'm reading a book about the Billick era Ravens. It has a story from Art Modell where the Browns were looking at 2 guys with the same name. One was a WR then other was a defensive lineman. They drafted the wide receiver, but accidentally called the defensive lineman to congratulate him. I can't wait till the Jets trade up ahead of us to draft USC's Jordan Cameron. Here's today's blog entry, along with an argument in favor of moving Dontay Moch to inside linebacker: http://draculamountain.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/profile-dontay-moch/ |
| ____________________________________________________ [Apr 6,2011 12:58pm - RustyPS should be working ""] [img] roar |
| ___________________________________________________ [Apr 6,2011 1:05pm - RustyPS should be working ""] Also..... "First play, comes up the gut, sheds a block and assists on a tackle. Sergio Kindle wouldn’t have been able to get off the block." Were we the only two that pointed that out before the draft last year when everyone else wanted the Pats to draft Kindle? I remember getting into fights with people over it last year lol |
| ___________________________________________________ [Apr 6,2011 1:13pm - RustyPS should be working ""] ...and another thing.... I finally found out why WF said Watt isn't an option for the Pats. He did a "Not Draft" today, meaning these are players that these teams will definitely not pick contrary on popular picks he's seen in multiple other mocks. Here is what he put for the Pats at 17: New England Patriots: J.J. Watt, DE, Wisconsin J.J. Watt is a popular pick here in 2011 NFL Mock Drafts, but it's not going to happen. Bill Belichick has an incredible disdain for Watt's agent, Tom Condon, and hasn't drafted a Condon player since Ben Watson in 2004. ....and I now bow down to Walter and kiss his rings |
| _______________________________ [Apr 6,2011 1:24pm - xmikex ""] 1. Called it on Watt. Didn't want him anyways. 2. Kindle is proof of what reactionary hype can do to public perception. That guy was never a football player, and I'm amazed he even went as high as he did to a team that is historically great and grading defensive talent. 3. In early retrospect, Gronkowski was far and away the best pick in the 2010 second round. 4. I'd be suspect about anyone who backed Ben Watson too. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 6,2011 6:35pm - Dankill ""] xmikex said: 3. In early retrospect, Gronkowski was far and away the best pick in the 2010 second round. That's a tough call because McCourty looks to be a beast as he matures and Aaron Hernendez is looking like THE steal of last years draft. Also, that updated WF mock blew my mind. Weird role reversal of the Miami $15 pick nd our #28 prior to the mock. I can say, if the draft went down like it looks on that mock, with Brooks Reed going JUST beforehand to Atlanta, I'd figure the Pats would be in a trading mode with #28 because of what would probably be available at #33 (including possibly Ingram). The Randall Cobb at #33 makes no sense to me. WAY more quality O-line and D-line prospects available then a talented slot receiver the Pats don't need. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 6,2011 6:50pm - xmikex ""] 2nd round Dan, 2nd round. McCourty was a first. There's a 340 point trade point difference between the 16th and 28th picks. If the Pats wanted to trade for the 16th overall it'd cost them (best case scenario) 28, 60, and 125 to get it. Otherwise it's New England's 28 and 33 for the 16th plus another 180 points worth of Miami picks. And I say no way does BB give up 33. He loves that spot. |
| ________________________________ [Apr 6,2011 7:45pm - RustyPS ""] I'm hoping beyond hope they stand pat in the 1st 2 rounds because it seems like this draft is rather top heavy and having 4 picks could prove to be better than getting the most "value" this year |
| _________________________________ [Apr 6,2011 7:53pm - Dankill ""] xmikex said:2nd round Dan, 2nd round. B'OH! |
| _________________________________ [Apr 6,2011 7:54pm - Dankill ""] Also, no no no, you misunderstand. I mean trade DOWN from #28. |
| _______________________________ [Apr 6,2011 8:21pm - xmikex ""] Wow I'm all over the place today. I was mixing it up with the talk that Miami wants out of 15 to get picks in the 2nd round. In my head I'm thinking if they traded down to 28 it would give them 15 and 17, which of course would open up a whole new world of trade possibilities because there's no way they'd do that. I agree with Rusty, this is a top heavy draft. That's why I don't think San Diego is in business for the Pats #28. UNLESS it was for San Diego's #50 plus next year's 2nd round. 2 extra picks in Belichick's favorite round. That would go over nicely. |
| _________________________________ [Apr 6,2011 8:24pm - Dankill ""] In short, if any of the earlier WF mocks plus our ideas happened with those first three picks, fapping would be in order. |
| ________________________________ [Apr 6,2011 8:26pm - RustyPS ""] gimme a Jordan, Reed, Ingram combo platter and I might have a massive coronary of joy |
| __________________________________ [Apr 6,2011 10:17pm - Dankill ""] Jordan, Pouncey and Reed and it's a good day. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 9:50am - RustyPS should be working ""] WF UPDATE (THIS ONE'S A DOOZY): 17. Jordan 28. MARK FUCKING INGRAM 33. Ben Ijalana (OL, Villanova) 60. Chris Carter (DE/OLB, Fresno St.) 74. Clint Boling (G, Georgia) 92. Johnny Patrick (CB, Louisville) 125. Jeremy Kerley (WR, TCU) 159. Beal 193. Brandon Bair (DL, Oregon) not as nice as last week's |
| _________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 10:48am - xmikex ""] ehhh... Ijalana could probably play RT in the NFL although I might like him best at guard. He's not the most physically imposing player, and looks kind of stiff. There's no way he competes for a LT spot. Chris Carter I like, but I think the NFL is largely convinced he's a 4-3 rush linebacker. Boling might be a steal at 74, the same with Patrick at 92. Like I said in the blog (http://draculamountain.wordpress.com/2011/03/17/johnny-patrick/) get him some muscle milk and a summer in the gym with jerod mayo and he'd be really promising. Kerley I think is mostly a return guy. Brandon Bair is too goddamn slow and uncoordinated to ever compete in the NFL. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 11:09am - Dankill ""] I don't totally hate this mock, but I stand by my belief that Bill will look to trade #28 unless there is someone he loves and doesn't think will survive for him to snatch at #33. I'd rather see a guy like Brooks Reed then Ingram land in the Pats laps due to need, even though I do see this guy being a burner in the NFL. If we do get Mark Ingram, I won't bitch in the least unless the guy somehow manages to suck, which I doubt, but hey, stranger things have happened. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 11:13am - Dankill ""] Also, I still stand by the Pats taking a chance in the 4th with Owen Marecic then Kerley. |
| _____________________________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 11:17am - RustyPS should be working ""] I left THIS ONE'S A DOOZY in by accident...def not a doozy this week |
| _________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 11:51am - xmikex ""] Reed could be off the board long before 28. I think his stock is hot enough to maybe even put him in the top 20. There are too many question marks on a lot of guys in the 20-32 range, and Reed looks like a sure thing. I could also see a scenario where Newton and Gabbert come off the board in the top 15, and all the QB needy teams decide to wait till the 2nd to go QB... except for 1 team dumb enough to want to leapfrog everyone, trade into the 28th spot and draft a guy like Kaepernick, Mallett or Dalton. Possible dummies include Tennessee, Washington, Cleveland, Minnesota, and Denver. I think Buffalo will stick with Ryan Fitz contrary to popular opinion. |
| _____________________________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 11:53am - RustyPS should be working ""] xmikex said:Reed could be off the board long before 28. I think his stock is hot enough to maybe even put him in the top 20. There are too many question marks on a lot of guys in the 20-32 range, and Reed looks like a sure thing. I could also see a scenario where Newton and Gabbert come off the board in the top 15, and all the QB needy teams decide to wait till the 2nd to go QB... except for 1 team dumb enough to want to leapfrog everyone, trade into the 28th spot and draft a guy like Kaepernick, Mallett or Dalton. Possible dummies include Tennessee, Washington, Cleveland, Minnesota, and Denver. I think Buffalo will stick with Ryan Fitz contrary to popular opinion. Teams get nervous because then they have to wait a whole day to draft their franchise QB, so they panic and trade back into the 1st to "get their guy." I will not be surprised if this happens, and the Pats benefit from it. |
| ___________________________________ [Apr 11,2011 11:58am - Dankill ""] RustyPS%20should%20be%20working said: xmikex said:Reed could be off the board long before 28. I think his stock is hot enough to maybe even put him in the top 20. There are too many question marks on a lot of guys in the 20-32 range, and Reed looks like a sure thing. I could also see a scenario where Newton and Gabbert come off the board in the top 15, and all the QB needy teams decide to wait till the 2nd to go QB... except for 1 team dumb enough to want to leapfrog everyone, trade into the 28th spot and draft a guy like Kaepernick, Mallett or Dalton. Possible dummies include Tennessee, Washington, Cleveland, Minnesota, and Denver. I think Buffalo will stick with Ryan Fitz contrary to popular opinion. Teams get nervous because then they have to wait a whole day to draft their franchise QB, so they panic and trade back into the 1st to "get their guy." I will not be surprised if this happens, and the Pats benefit from it.That would be amazing if that sort of panic swept the QB needy teams. Bill would be doing his best evil genius laugh from the depths of the Pats bunker if that went down. |