some legal questions. can anyone help[views:5284][posts:53]______________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 1:28pm - johnvanveen ""] ok a friend of mine is charged with b+e and conspericy to commit b+e. right now the b+e charge wont hold up in court, but the conspericy will. this is the persons first offence as a adult. the current offers hes looking at is 7 years probation or 5 years suspended? at the end of all records will be cleard. i was wondering if anyone had any ideas on this? im thinking 7 years probation is a little much for this crime. even if he pleads nolo what would be the punishment? thanks for the help |
| __________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 1:31pm - ShItBaG ""] he should be shot in the face. i would have shot him in the face if he broke into my house. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 1:32pm - litacore ""] plead 'wasn't me' |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 1:33pm - RustedAngel ""] ghadsfdsfdsf |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 2:08pm - johnvanveen ""] it wasent a house jackass haha and um come on anyone have expierence dealing with this. as is this happend like almost a year ago and there still on the pre trial confrence |
| __________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 2:23pm - ShItBaG ""] fuck that... kill him |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 2:33pm - subjugate ""] in my opinion anyone that steals from some one deserves what they get by your statement and i will quote you "this is the persons first offence as a adult" it seems to me that this isn't the first time they have been arested for something like this before (am i correct in that assement)so i saylet him do the max |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 2:33pm - dreadkill ""] i wish i could help, but i have no criminal record or experience with this stuff. apparently, the wretched asylum singer has quite a legal record. send him a message on myspace. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:03pm - horror_tang ""] If he has a juvenile record they are probably looking at that as well (it is bullshit that your juvenile records are sealed when you turn 18) and are giving hima nice deal. The main thing that does not make sense here is you said at the end his record will be cleared. I have neve heard of this in my lifetime. They can give him a continuance without a finding (unsupervised probation and if you stay out of trouble during the time they give you it goes in as a dismissal of the charges). However, a continuance without a finding usually lasts for 6 months to a year. If you plea and get probation that will definitely be on your permanent record. My advise is to get a lawyer and let the lawyer get youa better deal. Myself, I would tell them I would rather take it to trial and take my chances with a jury. This would probably force the prosecution to give you a better deal, but you are still taking a chance. It works the same for personal injury settlements. Never take the first offer. Call their bluff and the second offer is the real one. If I get in trouble again I want to go on People's Court. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:06pm - johnvanveen ""] the person has a lawyer and thats the deal the Da gave 7 years probation or suspended or somthing (ill cheak and get back to you) but 7 years probation when someones 21 is a long time. etc.. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:09pm - subjugate ""] heres a novel idea DON'T BREAK THE FUCKING LAW |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:13pm - Josh_Martin ""] johnvanveen said:ok a friend of mine is charged with b+e and conspericy to commit b+e. right now the b+e charge wont hold up in court, but the conspericy will. this is the persons first offence as a adult. the current offers hes looking at is 7 years probation or 5 years suspended? at the end of all records will be cleard. i was wondering if anyone had any ideas on this? im thinking 7 years probation is a little much for this crime. even if he pleads nolo what would be the punishment? thanks for the help This doesn't really make sense. Get your friend here to give a first hand account and I can give some advice from way too much experience with our faggoty criminal justice system. Nolo is the same thing as guilty. 5 years suspended for 7 years sounds like a lot but more info on the crime and evidence against him is needed. "If you're going to clean up the world with a gun, you could do a lot worse than starting with a lot of dead prosecutors" George Carlin |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:22pm - Josh_Martin ""] subjugate said:heres a novel idea DON'T BREAK THE FUCKING LAW That's totally fucking gay. I'd rather do drugs and drive really fast. Fuck the law. The cops don't obey it. Why the fuck should I? |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:25pm - RustedAngel ""] Josh_Martin said:subjugate said:heres a novel idea DON'T BREAK THE FUCKING LAW That's totally fucking gay. I'd rather do drugs and drive really fast. Fuck the law. The cops don't obey it. Why the fuck should I? you're a real winner. you must wear one of these too: [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:29pm - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:Josh_Martin said:subjugate said:heres a novel idea DON'T BREAK THE FUCKING LAW That's totally fucking gay. I'd rather do drugs and drive really fast. Fuck the law. The cops don't obey it. Why the fuck should I? you're a real winner. you must wear one of these too: Fag. Total fucking fag you are. I can picture you ratting out kids who smoke pot, thinking its for their own good. You're like the dad from Revenge of the Nerds. "I'm gonna bump the cruise control up to 37 kids" |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:35pm - RustedAngel ""] god, I hope when I'm 40 like you I don't spend my days on message board arguing with 21 year old kids. Reverend doesn't and he's even younger than you. I give everyone permission to blow me up with a grenade if I end up like Jimmy Dean the Rebel over here. I know I won't though. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:38pm - Josh_Martin ""] Rusted Angel asked me why I don't like anything new. I think this thread is a perfect example of why. Today's metal attracts do-gooding, law-abiding faggots like Mr. Angel. The metal I grew up on attracted losers, misfits, troublemakers, assholes, scumbags, and total misanthropes. That's the way metal should be. Little kids who get their ass kicked outside the Webster Theater is not a scene I want to be in. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:40pm - dreadkill ""] whoa! drama! |
| __________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:41pm - litacore ""] I am not a lawyer. I just play one in your wet dreams. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:41pm - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:god, I hope when I'm 40 like you I don't spend my days on message board arguing with 21 year old kids. Reverend doesn't and he's even younger than you. I give everyone permission to blow me up with a grenade if I end up like Jimmy Dean the Rebel over here. I know I won't though. I hope in 8 years when I'm 40 you'll be working at the computer nerd job you were destined for and will have "outgrown" metal and there will be one less faggot in the scene. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:44pm - litacore ""] when I am 40 I will get drunk to some Motorhead |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:44pm - the_reverend ""] I can't wait til you two kiss at the next nambla meeting. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:46pm - RustedAngel ""] yeah yeah, faggot faggot faggot faggot. If you keep saying faggot you probably will eventually love shoving shit into foreign objects into your anus. I'm no angel, though there's a huge gap between being an angel and being someone who's a complete scumbag which clearly you fall into being (and seem to enjoy being). I feel sorry for you still. btw, I didn't get my ass kicked at the webster theater, I was SMART enough to back out of the drama when I knew it was going to turn bad. I'm all set with being severely beaten, and possibly killed you may not mind. I have a little more to live for than smoking pot and drinking 40's. So eat my ass you fuck, I said it, call me a fag all you want you'd be the one eating my dingleberries. who are you to tell us how metal should be? My boss is waaay more metal than you'll ever be, and he's still successfull and has some brains left in his head. he grew up though, you haven't. stay scumbag. \m/ |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:49pm - RustedAngel ""] Josh_Martin said: I hope in 8 years when I'm 40 you'll be working at the computer nerd job you were destined for and will have "outgrown" metal and there will be one less faggot in the scene. I've been working computer nerd jobs for 5 years now and I'm still into metal. I can't wait until your dead from old age and faggotry, and I'm still working my computer job listening to metal. |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:50pm - dreadkill ""] this is getting ugly |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:51pm - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:yeah yeah, faggot faggot faggot faggot. If you keep saying faggot you probably will eventually love shoving shit into foreign objects into your anus. I'm no angel, though there's a huge gap between being an angel and being someone who's a complete scumbag which clearly you fall into being (and seem to enjoy being). I feel sorry for you still. btw, I didn't get my ass kicked at the webster theater, I was SMART enough to back out of the drama when I knew it was going to turn bad. I'm all set with being severely beaten, and possibly killed you may not mind. I have a little more to live for than smoking pot and drinking 40's. So eat my ass you fuck, I said it, call me a fag all you want you'd be the one eating my dingleberries. who are you to tell us how metal should be? My boss is waaay more metal than you'll ever be, and he's still successfull and has some brains left in his head. he grew up though, you haven't. stay scumbag. \m/ Where did I say I only live for smoking pot? I just said its gay that that's illegal. You may not have gotten your ass kicked, you just ran and hid while your friend took a beating. That is truly pathetic. You're bragging about how your boss is "more metal" and I'M the one who needs to grow up? I just think you're a complete faggot and a pussy. I guess that bothers you. But hey, be proud of who you are. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 3:59pm - RustedAngel ""] Josh_Martin said: Where did I say I only live for smoking pot? I just said its gay that that's illegal. You may not have gotten your ass kicked, you just ran and hid while your friend took a beating. That is truly pathetic. You're bragging about how your boss is "more metal" and I'M the one who needs to grow up? I just think you're a complete faggot and a pussy. I guess that bothers you. But hey, be proud of who you are. I love how you ignore everything I say, it's funny. I did not run when my friends took a beating, they just don't know when to back down when say there are 12 people on 2.... yup. Call me pathetic all you want, douche, they're still my friends despite what happend. this doesn't bother me, I still think it's hillarious that you're 32 and you're arguing with me on a message board. FAGGOTS > Josh Martin |
| __________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:00pm - litacore ""] no pillowfights until after dark |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:00pm - the_reverend ""] dreadkill said:this is getting ugly you mean HOT, dudz going to get it on.. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:01pm - litacore ""] I hear Shellac in the background |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:01pm - the_reverend ""] [img] |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:02pm - the_reverend ""] that's not shellac, that's rapeman! |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:03pm - the_reverend ""] [img] |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:05pm - RustedAngel ""] [img] |
| __________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:05pm - succubus ""] ewww |
| __________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:06pm - succubus ""] the eww was to family guy pic |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:10pm - dreadkill ""] the_reverend said:dreadkill said:this is getting ugly you mean HOT, dudz going to get it on.. ha, don't tell my acid reflux doctor. |
| __________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:15pm - litacore ""] succubus said:the eww was to family guy pic find the .gif of stewie sucking on that same teat, then opening his eyes, realizing, and shuddering |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:16pm - the_reverend ""] dreadkill said:ha, don't tell my acid reflux doctor. I will make no such promise! |
| ___________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:16pm - dreadkill ""] ha, that episode ruled |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:16pm - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:Josh_Martin said: Where did I say I only live for smoking pot? I just said its gay that that's illegal. You may not have gotten your ass kicked, you just ran and hid while your friend took a beating. That is truly pathetic. You're bragging about how your boss is "more metal" and I'M the one who needs to grow up? I just think you're a complete faggot and a pussy. I guess that bothers you. But hey, be proud of who you are. I love how you ignore everything I say, it's funny. I did not run when my friends took a beating, they just don't know when to back down when say there are 12 people on 2.... yup. Call me pathetic all you want, douche, they're still my friends despite what happend. this doesn't bother me, I still think it's hillarious that you're 32 and you're arguing with me on a message board. FAGGOTS > Josh Martin Why? The only way this is hilarious is if I'm an adult and you're a stupid little kid. Is that how you see yourself? Trust me, in 11 years you'll still be doing the same dumb shit. Most people here are closer to my age than yours. I don't get how nerds like you get into metal. Oh yeah, because new metal is mostly gay, mostly. btw, YOU did start this. I'm bored at work. Believe me, as soon as the clock hits 5 I will forget all about you. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:26pm - the_reverend ""] there's a rest area in Londonderry, NH that you two could meet up at. I think the former firemarshall from hudson would be all about "helping" you guys out there. Some old guy I worked with at ames once offered me weed to see my dick there. |
| _________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:27pm - tbone_r ""] no you wont |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:31pm - RustedAngel ""] Josh_Martin said: Why? The only way this is hilarious is if I'm an adult and you're a stupid little kid. Is that how you see yourself? Trust me, in 11 years you'll still be doing the same dumb shit. Most people here are closer to my age than yours. I don't get how nerds like you get into metal. Oh yeah, because new metal is mostly gay, mostly. btw, YOU did start this. I'm bored at work. Believe me, as soon as the clock hits 5 I will forget all about you. wow, you didn't call me a faggot once in that last post!! perhaps you realized it was transforming you into gay. suprise, you're wrong again you assmangler, don't make me bump the age poll...oh wait... here it is for your referencing... http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=7767 you went off on Jim when he said you should obey the law when it come's to BREAKING INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE. That being illegal. Yet it's gay and you're not 'true metal' unless you wear rebel flag underwear and enjoy jail time. |
| ______________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:31pm - johnvanveen ""] ok ill give the details and try and make this more clear. my friend drove 2 other individuals to a place were they proceeded to break in and steal things. My friend stayd in the car and dident enter the property. A few months later someone mentiond somthing to the cops and all 3 were arrested and my friend was charged with. B & E/night/ felony, and CONSPIRACY/FELONY. the current offer for my friend is 7 years probation or a differd sentence of 5 years or somthing like that. 7 years probation seems like a lot esp for someone 21 years old and that on there record would be a big deal. um hopefully this clears some stuff up. i was wondering what happens in similar cases and charges whats the usual punishment? |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:33pm - RustedAngel ""] 1980-1983 won the age poll with 41 votes btw. josh martin = -12 faggots = 25 |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:36pm - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:Josh_Martin said: Why? The only way this is hilarious is if I'm an adult and you're a stupid little kid. Is that how you see yourself? Trust me, in 11 years you'll still be doing the same dumb shit. Most people here are closer to my age than yours. I don't get how nerds like you get into metal. Oh yeah, because new metal is mostly gay, mostly. btw, YOU did start this. I'm bored at work. Believe me, as soon as the clock hits 5 I will forget all about you. wow, you didn't call me a faggot once in that last post!! perhaps you realized it was transforming you into gay. suprise, you're wrong again you assmangler, don't make me bump the age poll...oh wait... here it is for your referencing... http://www.returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=7767 you went off on Jim when he said you should obey the law when it come's to BREAKING INTO SOMEONE'S HOUSE. That being illegal. Yet it's gay and you're not 'true metal' unless you wear rebel flag underwear and enjoy jail time. No one said he broke into someones house. I don't what he was breaking into. Jim made a generalization about breaking the law, as if breaking any law at all was wrong and I found that totally gay and said so. Jim is in Noosebomb isn't he? That would make him a complete hypocrite if he meant what he said so I called him on it. You're an idiot with poor reading comprehension. Next time don't butt into someone elses arguement. Just 'cause I didn't call you a faggot last time doens't mean I stopped thinking you are one. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:37pm - Josh_Martin ""] RustedAngel said:1980-1983 won the age poll with 41 votes btw. josh martin = -12 faggots = 25 Great, there are cool kids. The kids in Hirudenia are awesome. Abhorred is a good band. I guess its just you that's a fag. I apologize to the other kids here for lumping them in with you. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:38pm - RustedAngel ""] JOSH MARTIN LOVES MY PENIS |
| __________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:38pm - succubus ""] Jim is in BOE stealing sucks i work hard for my $$$ and for someone to steal it..fuck them my dad bought stuff for my mom and then he passed away...the stuff got stolen...man if i ever found out who that was...i'll prolly break the law and their legs |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:39pm - RustedAngel ""] Josh_Martin said: Great, there are cool kids. The kids in Hirudenia are awesome. Abhorred is a good band. I guess its just you that's a fag. I apologize to the other kids here for lumping them in with you. enjoy buddy. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:43pm - Josh_Martin ""] johnvanveen said:ok ill give the details and try and make this more clear. my friend drove 2 other individuals to a place were they proceeded to break in and steal things. My friend stayd in the car and dident enter the property. A few months later someone mentiond somthing to the cops and all 3 were arrested and my friend was charged with. B & E/night/ felony, and CONSPIRACY/FELONY. the current offer for my friend is 7 years probation or a differd sentence of 5 years or somthing like that. 7 years probation seems like a lot esp for someone 21 years old and that on there record would be a big deal. um hopefully this clears some stuff up. i was wondering what happens in similar cases and charges whats the usual punishment? It all depends. Are they making him plead guilty to get the deal or is he getting a cwaf? It's probably a 5 year sentence suspended for 7 years. (ie he'd be on probation for 7 years and if he fucks up during those 7 years he has to do the 5). That does seem harsh for a 1st offense but it depends on what was stolen. Legally, since he was the driver and knew what was going on, he might as well have broken in there himself. What does his lawyer say? If he doesn't have one, get one now. In Mass. I've found even public defenders are pretty damn good. There is the occasional stereotypical drunken bum public defender who's totally useless, but that's rare. Most of them are really good and LOVE pissing off prosecutors. |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 15,2005 4:47pm - Josh_Martin ""] succubus said:Jim is in BOE stealing sucks i work hard for my $$$ and for someone to steal it..fuck them my dad bought stuff for my mom and then he passed away...the stuff got stolen...man if i ever found out who that was...i'll prolly break the law and their legs Breaking peoples legs = not gay Calling the cops = totally gay |
| _____________________________________ [Feb 24,2005 1:25am - horror_tang ""] I believe this law breaking story is a farce. An old friend who has done numerous years in jail just got arrested for running someone over with his car. Reporting his car stolen after he proceeded to light it on fire in a parking lot, not realizing there were security cameras everywhere. He is looking at 5 years max, with about 18 months to serve. Oh yeah, in case your wondering. You mentioned that someone told the cops and all three were arrested. Well, it had to be one of the three. |