I have trouble distinguishing "Metalcore" from Metal Or Hardcore...[views:4950][posts:83]__________________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 4:05pm - the taste of cigarettes ""] like some of what's what is obvious: Emperor is metal. At The Gates is Metal. Ten Yard Fight is Hardcore. Gorilla Biscuits are Hardcore. But what about The Network? What about Darkest Hour? What are they? I would imagine breakdowns make you "metalcore" but what about God Forbid or Meshuggah? This confuses me. What establishes one over the other? |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 4:15pm - swamplorddvm ""] Metal always had 'break downs' . Just alot cooler 'break downs'. "hard core" is not just 'breakdowns' but also attitude and rithym. In my oppinion, if you're band has an obvious "hard core" influence, you're band would lean more to the "hard core" side. and just cause you have a long haired member in a "metal-core" band doesnt mean that you're band is more Metal the "hard core". |
| __________________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 4:19pm - the taste of cigarettes ""] hmmm... like when people say they HATE Metalcore, what do they mean? Metal with lots of breakdowns or hardcore with lots of metal parts? I mean how do I go "This is metalcore"? I don't label much so it's not an easy task for me to figure out the terminology. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 4:23pm - Dissector ""] Metalcore to me is MTV friendly metal. Killswitch, All That Remains, things like that. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 4:33pm - the taste of cigarettes ""] so All That Remains is Metalcore? Weird, cause I was certain people would say they are metal. I've even known people to refer to them as straight out metal... now I'm clueless. Killswitch I can kinda understand. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 4:37pm - swamplorddvm ""] No fucking way all that remains is "straight out metal". LISTEN to it. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 4:37pm - Jellyfish ""] i dont really care. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:13pm - tbone_r ""] metalcore is a very broad label. some say that overcast is metalcore, but they aren't anything like atreyu, who others call metalcore. when i hear the term 'metalcore' used i think of bands like killswitch and unearth |
| __________________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:15pm - the taste of cigarettes ""] swamplorddvm - yeah but the problem is I'm not hearing what's making it "metalcore" over metal. I mean, if we just go by what's similar, than Sawtooth Grin and Psyopus are metalcore cause they have breakdowns and such... |
| __________________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:16pm - the taste of cigarettes ""] and I mean darkest hour is metalcore then, right? |
| __________________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:16pm - the taste of cigarettes ""] or what about Shadows Fall? |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:18pm - Dissector ""] Shadows Fall, definitely metalcore. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:18pm - Dissector ""] If people are calling those bands straight up metal then metal is dead. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:19pm - swamplorddvm ""] "hard core" didnt invent 'break downs'. Metal's always had them. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:22pm - the taste of cigarettes ""] so what makes metal metal and hardcore hardcore? there's those that say hardcore was basically punk rock. So things like Strife and Bane cease to be hardcore at all. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:23pm - Jellyfish ""] i think it really boils down to a band that has influence from metal and hardcore, which has been happening for years. Often bands are labeled that when they arent totally influenced by death metal or totally influenced by hardcore, power metal etc. I like some bands that fall under the metalcore term, All that Remains, Unearth, older Lamb of God, etc. |
| _______________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:24pm - moran ""] Its a dumb label. I think it started out with shit like Overcast, and stemmed from there. I guess people would say shit like Cannae, Killswitch, and the like is "metalcore". Its dumb. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:42pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] It's not dumb, because it's a definate different style, so for people like me who realize how bad it is, it's good there is a label for it so I can just say I hate metalcore. |
| _______________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:46pm - moran ""] I guess. I like some of it. I really don't care. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:49pm - Joe/NotCommon ""] I think labels to define genres are important, so you don't have to be like "i dig bands like Kreator, Sodom" or "i hate bands like unearth and poison the well" Or, when a new band forms or you are trying to tell someone about a band they don't know; Abhorred is grindcore with thrash influences. It makes it easier then comparing them to a dozen or more bands. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:57pm - dread_104 ""] so what about bands like DRI and suicidal tendencies? are they metal core? these bands went from hardcore punk to borderline thrash . back then, we just called it crossover. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:58pm - Dissector ""] I still call them crossover. Or punkthrash. I love the old crossover bands. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:59pm - dread_104 ""] BENEATH THE WHEEELLL!!! |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 5:59pm - Dissector ""] That was such an awesome cd. I love it! |
| __________________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 6:02pm - the taste of cigarettes ""] yeah but sometimes...actually I should say often...people define themselves by genre and then push out everything else. I mean, I'll be the first to throw myself in the line of fire and say I like the things I like and try and work all those influences into what I create as a performer, as a musician, and as an artist. I know some bands that would freak out over breakdowns because they wanted to be as metal as possible, but that line of reasoning blocks out so many great things. I dunnow, I hate overly kung fu kicking shows and stuff, but then again sometimes I like that...just not when it's dick and stupid and all kung fu all the time. I like to be open to new stuff... I agree 100% with Joe when he says it makes it easier to define bands by genre and move product. It's been fucking tough saying we're just "music", but then when we say we're "grind" it makes people not understand our clean, melodic stuff and when we say we're "clean, melodic stuff" people are like "Uh...no...you have tech parts and growl vocals and blast beats". Then we say we're a metal band and people are like "Oh satan and long hair and blah blah" so we say ok how bout we're a hardcore band? and then people that like metal automatically don't want to give you a chance cause they think you're kung-fu-stuff but anyone that's heard us knows we're not. I started thinking about this topic cause a band said they were tech metal and then I heard them and they were what I perceived as metal-core. It's all so mind boggling. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 6:04pm - Dissector ""] Mixing genres can be good sometimes. We mix grind and thrash. I just don't like the overall metalcore sound. I like metal, and I like oldschool hardcore (some) but when nu hardcore and metal come together, it blows. |
| __________________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 6:05pm - the taste of cigarettes ""] hahahah nu hardcore? oh man I never heard that...what is that like FATA? |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 6:07pm - Dissector ""] Basically |
| ________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 6:32pm - assuck ""] me and john went to sick as sin to hand out flyers, and we gave one to this kid and he asked "what kind of music are these bands?" so we said grind, thrash death, that kind of thing, and he looks john straight in the eye and says: "I'm more into METAL metal. like killswitch engage and shadows fall." Needless to say we walked away. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 6:34pm - Dissector ""] That's sad man |
| ________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 6:37pm - assuck ""] yea. but we ended up finding a bag full of cd's after we walked away, and even though most of them sucked, it helped pass time cause we threw them out the window of johns truck and watched em shatter. |
| ___________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 6:40pm - Jellyfish ""] killswitch is so heavy. |
| ______________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 6:47pm - swamplorddvm ""] "I'm more into METAL metal. like killswitch engage and shadows fall." No shitting, my jaw actually dropped. |
| ________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 7:18pm - assuck ""] imagine how i felt after wastng a perfectly good flyer on that fuckwad |
| _______________________________ [Jul 31,2004 7:54pm - hoser ""] I like you TOC...but...who really cares? Let all brutal music be brutal... |
| _________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 8:18pm - attendmyrequiem ""] swamplorddvm said:No fucking way all that remains is "straight out metal". LISTEN to it. it's no way metal core. i never heard madball throwing out chug riffing. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 9:35pm - Terence ""] metalcore is emo and hardcore somehow mixed together. At least thats what I think of it. |
| ____________________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 9:59pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] if it has guitars in it, it's gay. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 10:00pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] Shadows Fall IS metal metal. MAYBE their first album is metalcore... anything after that is just metal. listen to shit before you trash it. |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 10:02pm - swamplorddvm ""] I've listened to there stuff. I dont see it as "pure" (as gay as it sounds)Metal. |
| _______________________________ [Jul 31,2004 10:03pm - nick ""] metalcore is like 'jud jud jud weee, jud jud jud weee'. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 10:11pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] then i dont think you fully understand what metal is. Art of Balance = thrashy Of One Blood = melodic metal. |
| _____________________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 10:12pm - menstrual_sweatpants_disco ""] I hate the shit that has breakdowns composed entirely of the same exact muted note played over and over again in a different rhythm. Then the drummer will just play the same basic shit on the hi hat and snare drum, and just match the guitar rhythm with his bass drum. Every other band did this at a show we recently played. I won't mention which show it was, but it caused me to leave early and miss suffocation. end transmission. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 10:17pm - assuck ""] dont assume i havent listened to something when i trash it. i've heard every band i have ever made fun of. i have reasons for not liking bands. i dont assume things about bands without hearing them. i'm not calling shadows fall metalcore. they arent fuckin METAL metal, though. |
| _________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 10:19pm - assuck ""] TheGreatSpaldino said:rt of Balance = thrashy Of One Blood = melodic metal. by saying this you are saying that shadows fall is not metal metal. |
| ___________________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 10:52pm - TheGreatSpaldino ""] nothing is METAL metal anymore. some people say metalcore is "metal". whatever, they arent that bright. saying that Shadows Fall isnt metal is going to make me say that Shadows Fall is metal metal because they certainly arent metalcore. and besides, it has "metal" at the end, it can be considered metal metal. (i can see someone trying to be like "AH HA! 'metalcore' has the mord 'metal' in it so therefore it is metal you stupid hypocrite!11" but if you read what i just said, if it has "metal" at the end, it is metal, regardless of the prefix that precedes it.) |
| _______________________________________ [Jul 31,2004 11:37pm - swamplorddvm ""] Well... Why should the "metal" in "metal-core" dominate (if you will)the "Core"(hard-core), or the "core" dominate the "metal"? I guess alot of it is all about what one finds most evident in the music. |
| ________________________________________________ [Aug 1,2004 1:28am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] hey hoser - no I'm not saying I don't like metalcore, I'm just saying some people go "man metalcore sucks" but I'm not really sure WHAT that specifically is. How do I know from such a statement what they're referring to? to be frank, I like all music. and yes, I DO own 2 glassjaw albums, thankyouverymuch. and yes, I actually like them. |
| ________________________________________ [Aug 1,2004 3:00am - attendmyrequiem ""] who cares? this is gay. listen to something if you like it. the end. |
| ________________________________________________ [Aug 1,2004 3:07am - the_taste_of_cigarettes ""] I think people are misinterpreting the post: it's not "metalcore is dumb" or "this music sucks!" cause that's genuinely not my point. the point is: how do I distinguish what metalcore is? it's like asking "How do I know a granny smith apple when I see one?" |