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[QUOTE="PatMeebles:458198"]Josh Martin NLI said:[QUOTE]PatMeebles said:[QUOTE]Josh Martin NLI said:[QUOTE]PatMeebles said:[QUOTE]Josh Martin NLI said:[QUOTE]To trade freedom for security is an insult to all those who gave their lives to protect our freedom.[/QUOTE] So what happens when a tradeoff becomes necessary for the survival of the very freedoms you cherish so much? What if the uncompromising desire for freedom is the cause of a longterm loss of freedom that will never be recovered? It hurts me to say this, but we cannot let the constitution become a deathpact. [/QUOTE] If the founding fathers thought that way we'd still be a british colony. Live free or die. [/QUOTE] You obviously have no idea what the Founding Fathers thought Ben Franklin favored keeping secrets from Congress because they'd never keep vital operations from the Public and, therefore, would compromise national security. John Adams vehemently opposed Shay's rebellion because, even though rebellion against a tyrannical monarchy was ok, rebellion against a free democratic republic had to be put down harshly. etc.[/QUOTE] Ok, but my point was, if they had been willing to trade away their personal freedoms to decrease the chances of losing their lives, the USA would not exist. Your examples do not negate that. ("Founding fathers" was a poor choice of words on my part. I meant the average citizen who fought in the Revolution. I am very tired and not thinking straight.) [/QUOTE] You know, the Puritans fought in the revolution. I'm sure they believed in a socially libertarian states, right? What about everyone that fought in the revolution and then kept slaves? Sodomy laws, anyone? Lincoln's suspension of Habeus Corpus?[/QUOTE]
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