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[QUOTE="ShadowSD:458265"]PatMeebles said:[QUOTE]ShadowSD said:[QUOTE]By the way, if you look above you'll see I never mentioned the words "right-wing" or "conservative" when the discussion about fascism in this thread began. It was not my goal to make this a right vs. left issue. [/QUOTE] ShadowSD said:[QUOTE]reactionary (far right)[/QUOTE] Care to take back that last comment?[/QUOTE] No, I meant what I said, that comment was made well into the discussion. When the discussion about fascism in this thread began and I was talking to hungtableed, I never used the words right or conservative. It was only after you introduced "totalitarian leftism" to the conversation that I started to use those words, you can check for yourself. Until we got into that language, I was trying to take the inclusive approach that we all have an equal stake in opposing fascism, it's so far behind our democracy that it goes way beyond the comparitively nuanced differences between left and right in this country. PatMeebles said:[QUOTE]And, as stated above, yes there have been manifestations of totalitarian leftism, namely Leninist Soviet Union.[/QUOTE] You really think the Soviet Union under Lenin actually achieved the ideals of communism? I hesitate to give him that credit, I think it never succeeded in practice in that large a country from the beginning. I also think that once in power, Lenin's idealism went out the window; his focus was not the people of Russia sharing wealth equally under his rule, but fortifying the power of his office, power which Stalin took advantage of. PatMeebles said:[QUOTE]Also, you don't seem to know the term Communism if you believe that socialists only believe in faux-anarchism without centralized authority. [/QUOTE] Of course I know there is centralized authority, however democracies have centralized authority but don't inevitably become oppressive dictatorships. Communists are supposed to have an oligarchy that runs things, but in terms of wealth and property, EVERYONE is supposed to be equal. That has NEVER happened in the USSR, under Lenin or anybody. [/QUOTE]
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