Gitmo Detainee Confesses to 9/11[views:2953][posts:23]________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 9:46am - xmikex ""] and that's the end of that chapter http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/03/14/guantanamo.mohammed/index.html?eref=onion |
| ____________________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 10:32am - FuckIsMySignature ""] gut em. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 10:56am - the_reverend ""] [img] |
| ______________________________ [Mar 15,2007 11:02am - mOe ""] hmm, dont they torture people in Gitmo? If i were tortured for a few years, i'd admit to anything |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 11:06am - the_reverend ""] he was tortured before he got to gitmo... for years. gitmo is the public face of our "secret" camps so there are meny incedents there. I find it hilarious that spain, england, and germeny are all able to bring up terror suspects in civil courts but we can't. |
| ______________________________ [Mar 15,2007 11:09am - mOe ""] nope we can pretty much do what we please to them...its awesome |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 11:10am - the_reverend ""] and with the other 400 people that haven't been charged at all? some of them who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time? |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 12:21pm - hungtableed ""] the_reverend said:he was tortured before he got to gitmo... for years. gitmo is the public face of our "secret" camps so there are meny incedents there. I find it hilarious that spain, england, and germeny are all able to bring up terror suspects in civil courts but we can't. these cum rags in gitmo are not US citizens - they have no civil rights under US law. They are POWs captured on the battlefield. They get treated better than our troops on the ground, they certainly eat better. Now if we were socialists like Spain, England and Germany and at the very least half-way believed in 'world citizenship' maybe, just maybe, we'd do the same. |
| _______________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 12:23pm - hungtableed ""] mOe said:hmm, dont they torture people in Gitmo? If i were tortured for a few years, i'd admit to anything hahahaha, torture. You mean play loud rap music and make them wear panties on their head while dogs bark at them? That was Abu Garib. Nice cop out, it's just too bad your blanket criticism of the US is the same rhetoric our enemy is running with in the propaganda portion of this war. |
| _____________________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 1:39pm - i_am_not_logged_in ""] What's next, is he going to admit to being behind New Coke? |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 1:51pm - the_reverend ""] I believe there is one US citizen there. I just haven't been able to find out if that is true. Now, even tough you have a hot pecker to watch the middle east burn, I still believe you should either put them on trial or send them home. at some point, you have to learn to either shit or get off the pot. I learned that from a great movie. shit. or get off the pot. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 2:12pm - brian_dc ""] hungtableed said:mOe said:hmm, dont they torture people in Gitmo? If i were tortured for a few years, i'd admit to anything hahahaha, torture. You mean play loud rap music and make them wear panties on their head while dogs bark at them? That was Abu Garib. Nice cop out, it's just too bad your blanket criticism of the US is the same rhetoric our enemy is running with in the propaganda portion of this war. That wasn't all Abu Ghraib was, man. Sure there was some of that. I read a 1000 page book that held every declassified document ever released regarding Abu Ghraib...some of the shit that went down there was a lot worse than rap music, panties, and dogs. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 15,2007 2:17pm - pam ""] hungtableed said:mOe said:hmm, dont they torture people in Gitmo? If i were tortured for a few years, i'd admit to anything hahahaha, torture. You mean play loud rap music and make them wear panties on their head while dogs bark at them? That was Abu Garib. Nice cop out, it's just too bad your blanket criticism of the US is the same rhetoric our enemy is running with in the propaganda portion of this war. You really think they aren't torturing at this camp? You are very naive my friend. Torture is a useless tactic. People will do anything to make the torture stop, they'll admit to shit they didn't do, give false information, etc. It's stupid. Detain them? Hell yes. Do I want them treated well? No. But torturing them makes us no better than them, and since you're Captain America, you should know that. We don't commit crimes against humanity (well...we're not supposed to) and were supposed to be "liberating" Iraq. Not to mention there is no fucking way that everyone in those camps is guilty, we're putting innocent people through hell. Why are we there if we do even a fraction of the horrible things they do? If I go kill 2 people, I belong in jail just like someone who killed 5 people. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 2:19pm - brian_dc ""] honestly, the reason people get worked up over Abu Ghraib is because of all of the red tape that people, even those within the highest tier of our government, had to walk through to even figure out what was going on. Then the administration flipped all over the place regarding whether or not some behaviors would be allowed. All the while the soldiers working at Abu Ghraib had no real guidance as to what to do with the people in the prison. They did some pretty shitty things, but you have to feel for the fact that they were given different information every few days regarding what tactics they could use. Most of the interrogators working there weren't actually qualified to do the work they had to do. In such a confusing situation, it's easy to believe that prisoners would be mistreated if not just out of frustration. What's worse about all of this is that the wrong people were held accountable. Some of the soldiers did deserve reprimand, but the fact that the government bungled the whole operation and got off with just a bit of bad press is an injustice. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 2:20pm - brian_dc ""] The Geneva Convention needs to be updated and renewed. That's what's what here. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 15,2007 2:21pm - pam ""] Oh, but the government doesn't make mistakes, remember. We must stay the course! |
| _____________________________ [Mar 15,2007 2:21pm - pam ""] Mistakes embolden the enemy! |
| __________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 2:25pm - brian_dc ""] some examples of recognized abuses I found in my research: Ali Shalal Qaissi. A man accused of attacking US forces - the man apparently handicapped prior to his arrest, thus less capable to possibly attack US forces - was attached to electrical wires and made to stand a top a box. His wounds are still raw from infection due to unsafe and dirty conditions in the prison two years after his seemingly unjustified imprisonment. (Fattah, 2006) Taguba report (March 2004). They are: brutality against protect persons upon capture, resulting in death or injury, not notifying family members of detainee of a persons arrest, physical or psychological coercion in interrogation, prolonged solitary confinement, unwanted seizure of personal belongings, exposure to dangerous tasks, hooding of detainee, beatings with hard blunt object, pressing the face into the ground with a boot, being stripped naked, sometimes for several days. Sometimes detainees were paraded around naked in front of other detainees. Being made to wear women’s underwear and hold arms above their head for prolonged periods and have pictures taken – in one specific case a man was forced to wear one pair of women’s underwear, and only that piece of clothing for 51 days while soldiers repeatedly called names like “fag” or “gay.” Attaching detainees to the bars of their cells for several days, exposure while hooded to loud noise or music, prolonged exposure to the sun at the hottest time of the day (122 degrees Fahrenheit), punching, kicking, jumping on the naked feet of detainees, videotaping of detainees - including one alleged sex, or rather, rape tape in which a soldier raped a female prisoner. Forcing Male detainees to masturbate while being filmed, arranging nude males in a pile and then jumping on them, writing “I am a Rapest”(sic) on a detainee and then filming him naked, and taking photographs of dead Iraqi detainees. (Greenberg, 2005, p. 416-417) |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 2:53pm - Hungtableed ""] I don't doubt that we are using some degree of torture, but if we were even half as inhuman as our enemy - we wouldn't have people to torture because they'd be dead. Just like most of the asshole in Gitmo who should be lucky that they weren't shot in the grape and left for dead rather than becoming POWs. Either way, do any of you even realize who you are sticking up for here? Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was federally indicted in 1996 (during the do-no-wrong Clinton era) for his role in the 1993 WTC bombing among other plots involving US bound airlines - read about him yourself: http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/khalid_shaikh_mohammed.htm For someone to be Federally indicted that means that prosecutors gathered enough evidence that they believed would proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he was guilty. 9/11 didn't even have to happen and this cum rags confession to it means shit considering that he was already a wanted man before 9/11 was even a figment of our imagination. But no, the bleeding hearts will piss and moan and get their dick tied in a knot because they think that he is being illegally detained. Who side are you on again? |
| __________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 3:05pm - brian_dc ""] I'm not sticking up for that dude, never intimated that I was. I'm just commenting on Abu Ghraib. Granted it's a separate issue and we're the ones that took it off topic, but don't you be jumping to conclusions about this guy. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 3:07pm - Hungtableed ""] I was referring to those who refuse to believe his confession came from anything other than being tortured. That, I believe, is sticking up for the guy - or at least giving him the benefit of the doubt. |
| __________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 3:11pm - brian_dc ""] oh. True true. Sure it's a possibility that he was tortured into a response, but I see no evidence for that. You do have to watch out for some of these guys confessing for attention, but I'd like to hope that we check the facts before just accepting a confession to something so big. |
| _____________________________ [Mar 15,2007 4:23pm - pam ""] I don't doubt the dude is an asshole, I was speaking in more generalized terms. I just think torture is a risky way to get information. If this asshole was indicted already, he belongs in suspicion and in Gitmo. I hope they hang him by his small intestine. |
| ______________________________________ [Mar 15,2007 4:31pm - the_reverend ""] wait, are these guys called POWs now? I thought that they werent. |